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rank is used to buy things from the shop (preloaders, random site upgrades, user name changes) and ask questions from the {animation} help section (1 point minimum for a question)
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8/6/2013, 10:54 pm
We should like be allowed to change the color of the username header...
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8/6/2013, 10:58 pm
@Toxic wrote:We should like be allowed to change the color of the username header...
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The color of your username that displayed when you make a forum comment.
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8/6/2013, 11:12 pm
why is this in General?

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8/7/2013, 2:17 am
No limitations on Animation Help, period. Any member is welcome to it. If anything we should allow guests as well but that's not the wisest thing to do either.

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@Mr Lange wrote:No limitations on Animation Help, period. Any member is welcome to it. If anything we should allow guests as well but that's not the wisest thing to do either.
its not exactly a limitation
you can literally just go make an introduction topic which requires the almighty time consumption of 1-2 minutes which gives u 1 point that you can use to ask a question

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@Mr Lange wrote:No limitations on Animation Help, period. Any member is welcome to it. If anything we should allow guests as well but that's not the wisest thing to do either.
its not exactly a limitation
you can literally just go make an introduction topic which requires the almighty time consumption of 1-2 minutes which gives u 1 point that you can use to ask a question
This site is equally a place for showcasing and a place for learning. Animation Help should have no more restrictions than would be to share your work on the animation boards. Your logic is backwards. People get points for accomplishing animation things but need those points to ask for help? Asking for help with something is one of the first things someone would likely do on these boards. Points are earned for doing things beyond that, when they have improved, and that often starts with getting help. There is absolutely no reason to place any restrictions on the Animation Help forum other than just plain signing up as a member.

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@Mr Lange wrote:This site is equally a place for showcasing and a place for learning.
Which this isn't stopping, it's just making you do something before asking a question. Not something time consuming, not something challenging, but literally doing anything. You can comment on some flash saying "lol this was cool dude xD" or just make an introduction forum post saying "hi im new guy welcome me 2 site pls".
@Mr Lange wrote:Animation Help should have no more restrictions than would be to share your work on the animation boards.
Well, these are two completely different things you're comparing here.
Animation's help purpose is to take something from the site (not literally, like take knowledge away that you learned from the site), uploading something is to give yourself to the site (again, not literally, you're literally "broadcasting" yourself). Yes, you can say you're taking away criticism from uploading content, but again that's just a person's incentive and does not hold true for every case.
Whether or not the limitation is stupid comparing these two things is retarded.
@Mr Lange wrote:Your logic is backwards. People get points for accomplishing animation things but need those points to ask for help? Asking for help with something is one of the first things someone would likely do on these boards. Points are earned for doing things beyond that, when they have improved, and that often starts with getting help.
That's backwards how? People get points from literally doing anything active (incase you haven't read the first post, it's not just from LOL ANIMATION STUFFEF). The help section just redeems that effort used for activity to return it in exchange for help on a certain issue (in this case animation help). "Points are earned for doing things beyond that" No, they aren't. Points are earned from doing the things said in the OP (which, incase you haven't read, is not just LOL ANIMATION STUFFEFFEFEFEFEF). There's nothing backwards about this.

I could understand your complaint if it was some serious time-consuming process to acquire the one point to ask a question, but it's literally doing any meaningless task on the site. OMG QQQQQQQQQQQQ when I sign up i cant go str8 2 help section QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ i hav 2 do 1 thing 1st OMG QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ
@Mr Lange wrote:There is absolutely no reason to place any restrictions on the Animation Help forum other than just plain signing up as a member.
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8/7/2013, 4:43 am
Well look at that everyone, he can write proper English. Never would've known with all the shitposting you do.
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@Mr Lange wrote:This site is equally a place for showcasing and a place for learning.
Which this isn't stopping, it's just making you do something before asking a question. Not something time consuming, not something challenging, but literally doing anything. You can comment on some flash saying "lol this was cool dude xD" or just make an introduction forum post saying "hi im new guy welcome me 2 site pls".
Everything breaks down to this. There is absolutely no point to this. There is however a point in taking knowledge. Knowledge here is free. There is no reason to add even a slight barrier to asking questions. If someone is just here to ask a question and split, let them. Adding the restriction does nothing but inconvenience people, and once that line is crossed the site has a completely new stigma to it.

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@Mr Lange wrote:Everything breaks down to this. There is absolutely no point to this. There is however a point in taking knowledge. Knowledge here is free. There is no reason to add even a slight barrier to asking questions. If someone is just here to ask a question and split, let them. Adding the restriction does nothing but inconvenience people
It provides incentive to the help section, for one. While someone is completely free to ask a question at no expense, there's no real incentive for anyone to answer it, although with a reward system for it at the OP's expense, it provides both incentive and something similar to a self-sufficient economic system that leaves something to do on the site. Yes, questions will still be answered regardless of whether or not there is a reward, this just provides a different alternative to an otherwise dull thing.

There's also no point to having to use points to download preloaders and unlock new themes.
There's also no point to a new site since there's nothing wrong with this one.
There's also no point to this site since it act's as a subculture to an animation style that newgrounds could easily captivate.
Definitive purpose isn't the reasoning for any of the things here.

People making an account just to ask a question and leave takes up server resources, clusters the database, and wastes space. If they're going to bother doing all that, they can be inconvenienced for the few minutes it takes to make an introduction post/comment on some movie, or just doing some miniscule task.
@Mr Lange wrote:and once that line is crossed the site has a completely new stigma to it
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8/7/2013, 5:35 am
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@Mr Lange wrote:Everything breaks down to this. There is absolutely no point to this. There is however a point in taking knowledge. Knowledge here is free. There is no reason to add even a slight barrier to asking questions. If someone is just here to ask a question and split, let them. Adding the restriction does nothing but inconvenience people
ʇɹɐɥbǝıs bןɯ wrote:It provides incentive to the help section, for one. While someone is completely free to ask a question at no expense, there's no real incentive for anyone to answer it, although with a reward system for it at the OP's expense, it provides both incentive and something similar to a self-sufficient economic system that leaves something to do on the site. Yes, questions will still be answered regardless of whether or not there is a reward, this just provides a different alternative to an otherwise dull thing.
Meaningless incentive. Points make sense for cosmetic things or rewards to demonstrate an accomplishment. It should never be used to hold ransom the most fundamental features of the site, one of which being Animation Help, and helping others with animation is half the reason this site exists. You would actually put a toll booth on that as opposed to something like general discussion. That doesn't make any sense. I don't care how small the fee is, it doesn't need to exist and does absolutely no good to anyone. Getting points for answering help threads is not a bad thing, however. Needing points to ask a question in the first place is backwards as all fuck.

ʇɹɐɥbǝıs bןɯ wrote:There's also no point to having to use points to download preloaders and unlock new themes.
Agreed, although the idea of someone earning an alternative preloader is worth the incentive.
ʇɹɐɥbǝıs bןɯ wrote:There's also no point to a new site since there's nothing wrong with this one.
Yes there is, such as more flexible features, greater bandwidth and storage, and a Flash portal.
ʇɹɐɥbǝıs bןɯ wrote:There's also no point to this site since it act's as a subculture to an animation style that newgrounds could easily captivate.
There is no quality site or forum dedicated to sprite animation and the specifics of Flash animation that it entails, so yes there is a huge point to this site that Newgrounds does not at all satisfy, as in fact it often alienates sprite animators altogether.

ʇɹɐɥbǝıs bןɯ wrote:People making an account just to ask a question and leave takes up server resources, clusters the database, and wastes space. If they're going to bother doing all that, they can be inconvenienced for the few minutes it takes to make an introduction post/comment on some movie, or just doing some miniscule task.
That's what the server's resources are for, not so you can shitpost with blitz for pages straight in the general forum, which considering how much that is abused is worth addressing more than anything else. The site first and foremost exists to teach and showcase, so first and foremost those resources belong to people getting help and showcasing.

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@Mr Lange wrote:not so you can shitpost with blitz for pages straight in the general forum

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@Mr Lange wrote:Meaningless incentive.
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There's literally nothing meaningless about the concept of the incentive. You do a task, you get a reward for it. It's a basic concept of extrinsic motivation.
@Mr Lange wrote:It should never be used to hold ransom the most fundamental features of the site, one of which being Animation Help, and helping others with animation is half the reason this site exists.
"Holding ransom" is over-dramatizing what the actual thing is doing.
@Mr Lange wrote:You would actually put a toll booth on that as opposed to something like general discussion.
And once again, you're comparing two completely different things again here.
Posting on a forum is once again an example of "giving yourself" to the site, whereas asking a question is an example of "taking" from the site.
@Mr Lange wrote:That doesn't make any sense.
Yes, it does.
I've justified the conceptual reason for it multiple times.
Whether or not you find it incorrect isn't the same thing as it being nonsensical.

@Mr Lange wrote:Agreed, although the idea of someone earning an alternative preloader is worth the incentive.
This isn't more incentive deriving than the help's section incentive is, and you already said that is meaningless.
@Mr Lange wrote:Yes there is, such as more flexible features, greater bandwidth and storage, and a Flash portal.
Which aren't fundamental needs, and would lack an actual purpose when their only reason for existing would be convenience since we can already showcase our animations here via linking them from other sites.
@Mr Lange wrote:There is no quality site or forum dedicated to sprite animation and the specifics of Flash animation that it entails
Yes, because it's a subculture.
Of course there will be no specific site (excluding this) targeting specifically one sub-culture.
But that's the thing, this subculture can still reside within the main-culture that is newgrounds. Sprite animation is still animation. Critiques on sprite animations on newgrounds are still critiques on sprite animation.

Oh hey how about that, suddenly all of that is now meaningless.
I guess there's no reason for those to exist.
@Mr Lange wrote:That's what the server's resources are for, not so you can shitpost with blitz for pages straight in the general forum
Overlooking one problem in substitute for another isn't really solving anything.
Regardless, me "shitposting" with Blitz manages to stimulate the community in some small way.
Making an account just for the purpose of asking a question never to return provides what stimulation or benefit?
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Yes, teaching people something is a good thing and something the community should set out to do.
If someone can't be bothered just to waste a minute or two doing some prerequisite task just for the sake of asking a question, I shouldn't have to be bothered answering the question.

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ʇɹɐɥbǝıs bןɯ wrote:
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There's literally nothing meaningless about the concept of the incentive. You do a task, you get a reward for it. It's a basic concept of extrinsic motivation.
Asking for help is not a reward, it's granted, especially on this site.
ʇɹɐɥbǝıs bןɯ wrote:"Holding ransom" is over-dramatizing what the actual thing is doing.
Hardly. I don't care how small you think it is. You can hold something ransom for $1. Once you put a price on it, the formula is completely different.
ʇɹɐɥbǝıs bןɯ wrote:And once again, you're comparing two completely different things again here.
Posting on a forum is once again an example of "giving yourself" to the site, whereas asking a question is an example of "taking" from the site.
We host this site for the main purpose of giving. We share our knowledge. The trends lately have been a lot more "giving" than "taking" anyway. We have an abundance of knowledge and people willing to help, more than the amount of questions asked. To put a price on that is pointless, and even if it were the other way around, giving help is still the priority.
ʇɹɐɥbǝıs bןɯ wrote:This isn't more incentive deriving than the help's section incentive is, and you already said that is meaningless.
Because a trophy or an alternate preloader is only cosmetic. It just demonstrates a merit. It has no use to a person other than bragging. As an accomplishment, this is where points are worthwhile.
ʇɹɐɥbǝıs bןɯ wrote:Which aren't fundamental needs, and would lack an actual purpose when their only reason for existing would be convenience since we can already showcase our animations here via linking them from other sites.
They're expansions beyond the fundamental needs, so while technically not needed, we shouldn't stagnate in the bare minimum either. A Flash portal for a site like this is ideal, because we will have a site dedicated to showcasing a unique species of animation and the feedback would be from those who specialize in it as opposed to just random people who usually have no animation experience at all. On top of that, there is no portal where sprite animations would be a class of their own for rankings and awards. A good sprite animation on Newgrounds will have no contrast against a mediocre or poor sprite animation and will go mostly unnoticed against the masses of other animations and games hosted on the site.
ʇɹɐɥbǝıs bןɯ wrote:Yes, because it's a subculture.
Of course there will be no specific site (excluding this) targeting specifically one sub-culture.
But that's the thing, this subculture can still reside within the main-culture that is newgrounds. Sprite animation is still animation. Critiques on sprite animations on newgrounds are still critiques on sprite animation.
This subculture is large because it's a subculture of animation which is an astronomically significant culture, and I happen to consider this a very good one with outstanding qualities that can't be compared with anything else. Newgrounds users, namely on the forums, have a reputation for being very biased against sprite animation. They have no subsections in their forums for discussion of it and typically when sprite animators ask for help, especially beginners, they are quickly chased away by hostile users. And as I said, reviews for animations on Newgrounds are from a hodgepodge of people, who most often have no idea what goes into the process or do not care for sprite animation. While the reviews may have variety, the feedback for sprite animation specifically is usually very poor.
ʇɹɐɥbǝıs bןɯ wrote:Oh hey how about that, suddenly all of that is now meaningless.
I guess there's no reason for those to exist.
Way to fallacy.
ʇɹɐɥbǝıs bןɯ wrote:Overlooking one problem in substitute for another isn't really solving anything.
Regardless, me "shitposting" with Blitz manages to stimulate the community in some small way.
Making an account just for the purpose of asking a question never to return provides what stimulation or benefit?
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More fallacy. The person needed a question answered, and got that help. That's what they're here for. Who cares if their account sits unused forever. If they do nothing else afterwards and it's really such a big fucking deal then we can always prune accounts. "Stimulating" the community in general boards is a secondary concern of this site. This community is comprised of sprite animators who at one point in time needed help. We should be as inviting as possible and the help board is one of the first gateways into the community. Instead of discouraging new members by mandating pointless shit they have to do, we should encourage any and all activity and we're more likely to get new members that way, and most importantly, ones who will be encouraged to participate in sprite animation with the rest of us.
ʇɹɐɥbǝıs bןɯ wrote:Yes, teaching people something is a good thing and something the community should set out to do.
If someone can't be bothered just to waste a minute or two doing some prerequisite task just for the sake of asking a question, I shouldn't have to be bothered answering the question.
Your reasoning is fucked. So we should enforce petty bullshit because if it's worth it to get their question answered they should be assed to do it? You miss the point of a forum entirely, especially this one. Our priority is teaching and sharing knowledge. Just because we do it for free doesn't mean we have to be douchebags about it. We do this because we're passionate about it and care about seeing others improve. If you consider having to answer a question as a chore, you might as well get the fuck out.

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8/7/2013, 12:37 pm
what if people can offer points for answering their questions but it doesn't come from their pocket, its just a reward. They'd obviously be monitored and have restrictions so one can't ask "how do i trace a sprite" for 12 billion points. Or we could even have the community or a mod determine how much the question should be worth for the reward.

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I think there should be a mod specifically in charge of points n stuff. Being able to award points or monitor reasonable choices etc.

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well a general mod can and a mod for taht specific section

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@Granadico wrote:what if people can offer points for answering their questions but it doesn't come from their pocket, its just a reward. They'd obviously be monitored and have restrictions so one can't ask "how do i trace a sprite" for 12 billion points. Or we could even have the community or a mod determine how much the question should be worth for the reward.
If so, there would be a fixed set of points for answering any question, and a mod seeing a more challenging question being answered could offer additional points. It would be more difficult to try and monitor or assess the value of every thread.
@BDB wrote:I think there should be a mod specifically in charge of points n stuff. Being able to award points or monitor reasonable choices etc.

And someone at least move this to the Spritas News section or something.
That is something a mod should be able to do, but only on top of an existing automated points system, to keep things in check or award points manually for events not built in.

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8/7/2013, 2:38 pm
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@Granadico wrote:what if people can offer points for answering their questions but it doesn't come from their pocket, its just a reward. They'd obviously be monitored and have restrictions so one can't ask "how do i trace a sprite" for 12 billion points. Or we could even have the community or a mod determine how much the question should be worth for the reward.
If so, there would be a fixed set of points for answering any question, and a mod seeing a more challenging question being answered could offer additional points. It would be more difficult to try and monitor or assess the value of every thread.
I think this is the best solution so far

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