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2/23/2013, 9:32 pm
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@Patt wrote:I guess I started something bad.

I'm glad you did. I love debates. It's fun to argue.

also, haven't I brought up before that god is god, so the fact that he gave up his only son when he could make as many sons as he'd like isn't really much of a sacrifice? Not only that... but why should I put jesus over every other person who has sacrificed themselves for others?
'Cuz he sacrificed for everyone. Those who he didn't even know yet.
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2/23/2013, 9:33 pm
I don't get it why you fuckers let a book created nearly 4000 years ago dictate how you are suppose to live you're life. Like seriously though, the fucking bible even says this was not written by god.

You might as well fucking be Islamic because technically that would be the final evolution of Christians and Jews...

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2/23/2013, 9:34 pm
Are you saying that the bible is out of date, and cause of that we're letting it ruining our lives?
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Also, Joey, you're wrong. He died for all of our sins and that so we can have everlasting life.

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2/23/2013, 9:35 pm
@Toxic wrote:4000 years ago
@Toxic wrote:Christians
You have an interesting sense of time
@Ping wrote:Also, Joey, you're wrong. He died for all of our sins and that so we can have everlasting life.
But I'm not receiving everlasting life, am I?
He died for the ones who will be receiving it, Christians.
He did not die for all of us, you can't say he gave me a gift if I didn't receive it.

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2/23/2013, 9:37 pm
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@Toxic wrote:4000 years ago
@Toxic wrote:Christians
You have an interesting sense of time


I think I also said jews 2 buddy..

But time could always be debatable because there the old testament and shit


and also the original transcriptions that took a while to put together...
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2/23/2013, 9:38 pm
@Patt wrote:'Cuz he sacrificed for everyone. Those who he didn't even know yet.

So do soldiers. They die everyday for people they don't even know so they can live a peaceful life.

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2/23/2013, 9:38 pm
@Toxic wrote:I think I also said jews 2 buddy..
I think you also said Christians too buddy.

@Toxic wrote:and also the original transcriptions that took a while to put together...
Yeah I'm sure the transcripts of a guy who died in A.D. times were written in ~2000 B.C.

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2/23/2013, 9:39 pm
well he did give it to you, you just chose not to receive it. its not his fault he did what he could.

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2/23/2013, 9:41 pm
It just means that you don't want really want it. If you don't want to be a Christian, then you don't want to be a Christian. If you don't want to follow him then you don't want to follow him. You can speak for yourself and knowingly say that you won't receive it, but you can't just say say one category of people that will only receive it.

Actually, I don't truly know that whether you'll be receiving it, or not. It's personal. I don't know if God will give you everlasting life or not. That's between you, him, and how you're going to take in God's purpose for us.

Oh, and question for any of y'all. Is there a specific scripture where it says that we will go to heaven or hell? Would it be in Revelations?

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2/23/2013, 9:41 pm
EXACTLY GRANNY

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2/23/2013, 9:42 pm
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@Patt wrote:'Cuz he sacrificed for everyone. Those who he didn't even know yet.

So do soldiers. They die everyday for people they don't even know so they can live a peaceful life.
And Americans give them a prayer every day too.

Called, the Pledge of Allegiance.
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2/23/2013, 9:44 pm
@Ping wrote:If you don't want to be a Christian, then you don't want to be a Christian
So eternal life is only for Christians, but he died so not only Christians could have eternal life.
ok


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2/23/2013, 9:45 pm
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@Toxic wrote:I think I also said jews 2 buddy..
I think you also said Christians too buddy.

@Toxic wrote:and also the original transcriptions that took a while to put together...
Yeah I'm sure the transcripts of a guy who died in A.D. times were written in ~2000 B.C.


gosh

But didn't all his fucking teachings came from before that time. Even regardless if I have over exaggerated a little bit.

The Torah was made in 1140 b.c if I am correct and usually some parts of the bible are based off of it....

So you have like 3000 years...on that old book
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2/23/2013, 9:46 pm
@Toxic wrote:But didn't all his fucking teachings came from before that time.
Yes Jesus taught people before he was born.

@Toxic wrote:The Torah was made in 1140 b.c if I am correct and usually some parts of the bible are based off of it....
There are very loose and minimal connections between the OT and NT, but sure, since the OT was made in 1140 b.c. the NT was made in 1140 b.c. too.

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2/23/2013, 9:47 pm
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@Ping wrote:If you don't want to be a Christian, then you don't want to be a Christian
So eternal life is only for Christians, but he died so not only Christians could have eternal life.
ok
Yeah they could have eternal life, you just don't do your part. He died for everyone, but not everyone is gonna return the favor, that's on them not him

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2/23/2013, 9:47 pm
@Patt wrote:
@SXR123 wrote:
@Patt wrote:'Cuz he sacrificed for everyone. Those who he didn't even know yet.

So do soldiers. They die everyday for people they don't even know so they can live a peaceful life.
And Americans give them a prayer every day too.

Called, the Pledge of Allegiance.

Pledge and Prayer mean two different things patt.

A pledge is a promise, not a prayer. So yeah, that doesn't work. Plus, the pledge of allegiance isn't based on religion, so that doesn't work either.

Hell, this damn country wasn't even founded on religion.

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2/23/2013, 9:48 pm
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@Toxic wrote:But didn't all his fucking teachings came from before that time.
Yes Jesus taught people before he was born.


Yeah obviously because it's not like God and Jesus and the holy spirt are the same piece of shit person right.

Jews and Christians believe in the same god....

and Jews came first right.

yeah I think so too
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2/23/2013, 9:50 pm
@Granadico wrote:
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@Ping wrote:If you don't want to be a Christian, then you don't want to be a Christian
So eternal life is only for Christians, but he died so not only Christians could have eternal life.
ok
Yeah they could have eternal life, you just don't do your part. He died for everyone, but not everyone is gonna return the favor, that's on them not him
Then you can't really say that the gift was for them if it was never intended for them to receive it

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2/23/2013, 9:51 pm
@Granadico wrote:
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@Ping wrote:If you don't want to be a Christian, then you don't want to be a Christian
So eternal life is only for Christians, but he died so not only Christians could have eternal life.
ok
Yeah they could have eternal life, you just don't do your part. He died for everyone, but not everyone is gonna return the favor, that's on them not him
Exactly. You make it sound like he contradicted the whole purporse. It's simple. He died for everyone. It's up to you if you want to take what he offered you and mankind. You get what I'm saying.

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2/23/2013, 9:51 pm
@Toxic wrote:Yeah obviously because it's not like God and Jesus and the holy spirt are the same piece of shit person right.
That's one theory, although it's not a popularly accepted theory.
Most people believe that Jesus was the son of God, as was written in a lot of bibles.

@Toxic wrote:Jews and Christians believe in the same god....

and Jews came first right.

yeah I think so too
If you think the only part of religion is god, then you know far too little to be even debating about this in the first place.

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2/23/2013, 9:52 pm
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Sieghart wrote:
@Ping wrote:If you don't want to be a Christian, then you don't want to be a Christian
So eternal life is only for Christians, but he died so not only Christians could have eternal life.
ok
Yeah they could have eternal life, you just don't do your part. He died for everyone, but not everyone is gonna return the favor, that's on them not him
Then you can't really say that the gift was for them if it was never intended for them to receive it
He did intend for everyone to get it, you guys just don't wanna take it.

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2/23/2013, 9:53 pm
@Ping wrote:
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Sieghart wrote:
@Ping wrote:If you don't want to be a Christian, then you don't want to be a Christian
So eternal life is only for Christians, but he died so not only Christians could have eternal life.
ok
Yeah they could have eternal life, you just don't do your part. He died for everyone, but not everyone is gonna return the favor, that's on them not him
Exactly. You make it sound like he contradicted the whole purporse. It's simple. He died for everyone. It's up to you if you want to take what he offered you and mankind. You get what I'm saying.
No I don't because it's nonsensical.
It was not for me.
I am not going to receive any benefits from his action.
He also knew that as well because godknowseverythingtrololol and he knew that my entire life, I was going to be an atheist.
The gift was never intended for me, as I was predestined to be an atheist.
The gift.
was never.
for.
me.
He did nothing for me, and I will in return do nothing for him.

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2/23/2013, 9:54 pm
@Granadico wrote:
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@Granadico wrote:
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@Ping wrote:If you don't want to be a Christian, then you don't want to be a Christian
So eternal life is only for Christians, but he died so not only Christians could have eternal life.
ok
Yeah they could have eternal life, you just don't do your part. He died for everyone, but not everyone is gonna return the favor, that's on them not him
Then you can't really say that the gift was for them if it was never intended for them to receive it
He did intend for everyone to get it, you guys just don't wanna take it.
He knew we were all going to be atheists since the moment we were born thou so how'd he intend for us to get it

I mean, the only point I'm getting from your argument is that Jesus was a stripper.

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2/23/2013, 9:56 pm
No Joey. It's all up to you. God does know everything. So does Jesus. But you can't say that.


In my congregation, there's an elder there who was an atheist. He chose to learn the truth about God and learn about him, taking in accurate knowledge through studying the scriptures. So, as for you, you could turn around and become a believer in God.

You're going to make me give you an "it's not too late" speech, likeimlegitsrs

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2/23/2013, 9:58 pm
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@Toxic wrote:Yeah obviously because it's not like God and Jesus and the holy spirt are the same piece of shit person right.
That's one theory, although it's not a popularly accepted theory.
Most people believe that Jesus was the son of God, as was written in a lot of bibles.

@Toxic wrote:Jews and Christians believe in the same god....

and Jews came first right.

yeah I think so too
If you think the only part of religion is god, then you know far too little to be even debating about this in the first place.

Gee wizz just because I base one arguement on a commonly use theory

I'm don't know shit
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