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on 12/14/2012, 1:17 pm
^He is right
Its moves wouldn't be so different from Sonics...
And Skull kid it's fairly impossible to appear unless they get rid of Toon Link (for example, because it would be a bit jerk they deleted a character from another franchise lol) but it's still improbable.

plz, i hope (if he comes) they don't make Mega a Samus clone too.
Megaman should be able to make rapid fire and join all his power up beams together, like Mario throws his Fire balls without a fire flower.
AND DON'T NEVER EVER SHOW THAT FAT DUDE WHICH APPEARED IN STREET FIGHTER VS. TEKKEN WHO WAS SUPPOSED TO BE HIM!!!!!

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on 12/14/2012, 2:25 pm
Now I think about it, you know who else I really want? Bandana Waddle Dee. He'd have a unique moveset, he'd probably be really popular as a character (Or not, I don't know) and he'd move the Kirby series up to four characters, along with the other three playable characters. He was popular enough to become the fourth playable character in Adventure Wii and will probably continue to appear in later titles. Although he would definitely have to be god tier.

Plus he could have his Sailor Dee costume from KSSU. Sailor Dee owns all.

So yeah I now have three must-have characters for this game and I don't care about anyone else as long as I get these three <3

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on 12/14/2012, 5:54 pm
Nintendo needs to buy back Rare and bring Banjo-Kazzoie in

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on 12/14/2012, 7:14 pm
that and killer instinct, and perfect dark

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on 12/15/2012, 5:45 am
I thought Snake was a weird addition to Brawl.

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on 12/15/2012, 5:48 am
Well yeah, but it worked. He's one of the best characters in the game.

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on 12/15/2012, 6:10 am
No, Mario.

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on 12/15/2012, 6:34 am
I don't like Mario. They seriously nerfed him in Brawl (Which is pretty stupid considering he wasn't even overpowered in Melee like Fox or Jigglypuff)

I always play Toon Link.

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on 12/15/2012, 7:29 am
I like him but Toon Link is Useless... Its moves, its special... They're all exactly the same as Links. It's like Ness and Lucas... Don't stare at me but Lucas is just the same as Ness but with a snake in his pocket lol
Mario's ok as he is, he's the most balanced character, perfect for beginners and powerful for pros.


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on 12/15/2012, 7:53 am
You obviously have no idea what you're talking about, Saul. There aren't really even any clones at all in Brawl, only semi-clones. Yeah, Wolf and Fox might have similar movesets, but Wolf plays a lot different. Ganondorf might have Captain Falcon's moveset, but he's a lot slower and heavier, and more powerful. Toon Link is like Link except faster, lighter, more combo-based, and without Link's abysmal recovery, which is the entire reason Link is considered bottom-tier. He's so awful to play as.

The only "clone" that really annoyed me was Ganondorf, because he had no reason to be a clone in the first place. That was really just a big "fuck you" to the people that were hoping to have an original moveset this time around.

I can't really comment on Lucas, though, since I hardly ever play him or Ness.

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on 12/15/2012, 8:06 am
...I must play Brawl nao.

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on 12/15/2012, 9:50 am
Blitz n' Burst wrote:You obviously have no idea what you're talking about, Saul.
OHH god, no plz no!!! Not again this bullshit
Just because my opinion is different from yours it doesn't mean i'm wrong...
GROW UP!!!!

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on 12/15/2012, 9:59 am
I'm trying to figure out how saying two characters don't play exactly the same somehow means I'm intolerant of your opinions. You said Toon Link plays exactly the same as regular Link, I gave proof that he doesn't. Please tell me how this is bashing your opinion because you and I must have completely different definitions of the word, unless you'd like to argue that Toon Link is not faster or lighter than Link.

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on 12/15/2012, 10:39 am
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I can't really comment on Lucas, though, since I hardly ever play him or Ness.
Lucas was a slower and stronger ness. They made it so new people could kill with Lucas but get destroyed with ness. Pros could rape you easily with either.

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on 12/15/2012, 10:51 am
they could have kept the fire arrow for toon young link though

now as far as clones go, well they might not be exactly the same but some characters have more similarities than differences, however some characters have good excuses to be similar, mario and luigi are brothers and go on the same adventures so thats ok for them, i'd be dumb if they weren't similar in their case

fox and falco are part of the same team and most likely have similar training so again thats ok.(although falcos final could have been the arwing)

link and toon link are the same person, however considering how much weps link has...theres really no excuse, seriously toon could have had the skull hammer instead of the master sword, leaf instead of boomerang, fire/ice arrows, bombs can stay magic armor final smash,

adult link could have had the ability to make bomb arrows by using the arrow while holding a bomb.

cap and ganon have no excuse at all, we all know ganon has a wide assortment of spells, and is even a great swordsman....well his windwaker counterpart is a good swordsman anyways. and honestly he's way too slow, there is know reason for him to be that slow, even his twilight princess version(wich they used in brawl) was faster than his brawl apearance.(same can be said for sonic's speed but if they kept his people would be running off the stage)

power suit samus is also slower than she's needs to be, imo, she's actually alot more agile in most of her games and considering her wide assortment of weps i wouldn't mind if her moveset changed between games

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on 12/15/2012, 11:12 am
Luigi and Mario are actually very different. The only similarities they have are the fireball, which actually just floats forward for Luigi, (As opposed to Mario's which actually obey gravity) and the uppercut, which actually has a chance to be some fir punch or something for Luigi. Like you said, the similarities are justifiable in their case.

And yeah, while I do main Toon Link and am by far better with him than anyone else, as a character he's pretty redundant. I'd much rather have different characters that had original moveset instead of {{adjective character}}.

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on 12/15/2012, 1:49 pm
@5h0ck wrote:too much video game analysis
some points are valid (like Ganon having Capt's moveset kinda) but they can't base how they are in the game to their actual game, or mario would only be able to hit people by jumping and sonic would be able to run faster than anyone can see.
And Toon Link is essentially a clone, their only difference really is his boomerang and his air down A

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on 12/15/2012, 2:04 pm
i mean i dont really mind clones, smash is not the first game to have clones(seriously just look at MK and SF.....their the king of clones)

it when the person shouldn't have similarities is when things get annoying, like cap and ganon,

now wolf on the other hand, his a moves are very different fro fox/falcos, he has a more aggresive feel while they are more speed and combo based, toon link and link are the same person technically so its ok for them to have the same a moves, his b moves should use links other weps.

now wolfs b moves are obviously similar, with the reflector being the most obvious,

however wolf is a mercinary so for his blaster that makes sense and can stay if they bring him back.also while he might be a mercinary and while it makes the most sense for him to have a tank out of the three of them, its been stated in the starfox games that wolf LOVES his wolfen(his ver of arwing) so for him not to take it into battle is just dumb, and falco doesn't like the landmaster either....he even says it mid final smash"i prefer the air" in all the games i've played falco has not once used the landmaster in story mode and always turns it down when ask if he wants to use it.

you know you messed up when the character wants a different super.lol

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on 12/15/2012, 2:08 pm
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@ granni, mario punches in mario 64 so he'd be fine.

sonic cant outrun eggman so he'd still be slow

toon link is just another incarnation of link so again thats ok but they should give him different items

they don't need to be exact but they shouldn't be so similar either is all i'm saying

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on 12/15/2012, 2:24 pm
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on 12/15/2012, 3:10 pm
Excuses as to why it's okay for characters to be clones aside, they should just add more characters that are able to have different move sets -.-

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on 12/15/2012, 3:14 pm
I think Mario should have a Doctor Mario costume in the next game.

Making him a new character when he played the exact same (And I mean exactly) was just stupid.

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on 12/15/2012, 3:23 pm
almost exact, he was slower with elec element moves.....other than that exact.


but in the end we might lose all our clones(doubt it but possible), the games supposedly going to have the same amount of people, so by that logic any new characters will replace the ones we do have.

its also possible the 3ds will have an entirely diff roster than the wii ver.but untill nintendo or namco decide to reveal anything all this guessing is useless.

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on 12/15/2012, 4:26 pm
I think if they want SSB to compete with PS All-Stars, they're gonna have to make the 3DS cross-platform with the Wiiu, but I think it's too late for that...

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on 12/15/2012, 7:34 pm
lol development just started on both how is it too late?

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