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on 11/27/2011, 10:28 am
I think that cartoons as they are have no hope right now.

The ones that want to turn cartoons in the sophisticated art form they were back again are poor and because of that, have almost no way of doing that.

And those who think that we are doing fine and defend the big amount of bland and boring.....animations, have giant budgets and have money to do amazing cartoons.

In the end it's just tons of money badly spent.

I'm happy to see there are still people looking foward to change this, even with no resources available.
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on 11/27/2011, 2:25 pm
I feel like i'm you except with music.
Gives me hope for the future

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on 11/27/2011, 4:54 pm
@Leo wrote:
@Jellal wrote:This rant implies that you cannot have simplistic motion, but something fluid like motion conveyed in real life.
I said that there are some shows that lack life.

Even the most simple shows can have life.
@Jellal wrote:Of course, I never said you wanted realistic drawing. But as for where you said you wanted elaborate drawings...uh...yeah...I have no idea where I got that. You're right bro, probably from my weird mind.
@Jellal wrote:Art doesn't need to be something elaborate for the cartoon to be good.
@Leo wrote:But should be.
When I say elaborate, I mean that they aren't well done enough, even for what they should be.

I won't carefully explain to you but here's a few stuff that at least the FLAT cartoons should have.

Hierarchy - Details have to follow the big masses. Yeah, even in FLAT cartoons.
Composition
Staging
Good use of negative VS positive space
Line of action - Believe it or not, they should
Organic shapes
Life - And I don't mean fluid movements. Life can be a caricature of real life movements.

I think that's enough already.
So yeah. Simple art isn't done mindlessly. It was (when it was done well) carefully planned and designed, instead of being shapes thrown around.
I'll just leave this here.
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This has all of the stuff I mentioned back then, plus more.
Try to find out why they are there. No seriously, now say to me again that the art in cartoons can't be elaborate.
Was that supposed to prove you aren't defining cartoons in your own terms?
Because it totally looked like you were.
Elitism is still elitism.
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on 11/27/2011, 5:06 pm
Yeah yeah.

Because you know I am right.
I'm not a elitist. Cartoons always were like this. However people thought it was EASY to do so they started spewing terrible copies of great stuff like the Tom Oreb layout I posted back then. And then a new generation of people came in and copied those people who copied the guys who did it right. And then more people copied the copies of these skilled guys, and so on.

If anything, I'm trying to make cartoons be what they originally were.


And the stuff I say isn't being made up, it has been proved multiple times and tons of people who worked with cartoons have said the same things. They're probably elitists too for trying to fix the mess that it has become.
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on 11/27/2011, 5:18 pm
You're not right, you're defining cartoons to your own requirements, and more importantly, you've been denying that too. Self proclaiming yourself to be right doesn't make you right. What you think are important traits are not what everyone else should view as important traits. What makes up a good cartoon is a subjective trait. And since you're not a fucking moron, you should be able to grasp that concept.
TL;DR:
You can't be right on a subjective argument.
And yes, you are an elitist.
And yes, anyone who thinks cartoons should follow their exact requirements is too an elitist.
In denial elitist is still an elitist.
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Why is that hard to believe?
I was fourteen like the beginning of this month, and most people assume I'm in my twenties.
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on 11/27/2011, 5:44 pm
Get it right. Get it right get it tight.

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on 11/27/2011, 8:07 pm
@Ping wrote:Get it right. Get it right get it tight.
Wow your back to the spritas for the first time in weeks and all you shout is sexual quotes from Hip-Hop music...

GOD I MISSED YOU BRO :'D!!!

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on 11/27/2011, 8:10 pm
It does seem like Ping's getting less active D;

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on 11/27/2011, 8:37 pm
@Jellal wrote:
@Face wrote:....theres no way in fuck you're 14
Why is that hard to believe?
I was fourteen like the beginning of this month, and most people assume I'm in my twenties.

no you"I can totally see you as that age.If there is anyone who mistakes you for for anything more then a over-drama Young teen....they must be....high.

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on 11/28/2011, 12:49 am
@Crazyfilms5000 wrote:
@Ping wrote:Get it right. Get it right get it tight.
Wow your back to the spritas for the first time in weeks and all you shout is sexual quotes from Hip-Hop music...

GOD I MISSED YOU BRO :'D!!!
= D!!! MISSED YO ASS TOO!!!
@Jellal wrote:It does seem like Ping's getting less active D;
Personal circumstances has done that to me. Now I'm ready to party with you, Jelly. <3

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@darkdragon581 wrote:ping, i don't see you getting 'boodie' anytime soon, i don't care if your black, its most likely not going to happen
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on 11/28/2011, 1:36 am


@Jellal wrote:It does seem like Ping's getting less active D;

Kirby is 2 busy shaking his ass in front of him.

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on 11/28/2011, 1:42 am
^
OMGLMAOROFL

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@darkdragon581 wrote:ping, i don't see you getting 'boodie' anytime soon, i don't care if your black, its most likely not going to happen
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on 11/28/2011, 4:27 pm
@Face wrote:
over-drama Young teen....they must be....high.
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on 11/28/2011, 4:39 pm
@Jellal wrote:
@Face wrote:
over-drama Young teen....they must be....high.
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broken pic dude...

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on 11/28/2011, 4:41 pm
Here is it.

@Jellal wrote:The Conversation Thread - Page 3 Oh-boy-here-we-go
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on 11/28/2011, 4:51 pm
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@Jellal wrote:It does seem like Ping's getting less active D;

Kirby is 2 busy shaking his ass in front of him.

What a random statement...
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on 11/28/2011, 4:59 pm
I don't know how to respond to that......

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on 11/28/2011, 5:02 pm
nobody does man... nobody does.....

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on 11/28/2011, 5:56 pm
What the hell is going on

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on 11/28/2011, 6:01 pm
Everthing is going on, and I am beating off

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on 11/28/2011, 6:07 pm
nice to know this place hasn't changed much Razz

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on 11/28/2011, 6:51 pm
So i download sonic generations,to find out it dosent work on intel......time to pull out the mac.
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on 11/28/2011, 7:04 pm
FUCK SONIC!!! they need to make another shadow game

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on 11/28/2011, 7:30 pm
amen to that ^

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on 11/28/2011, 8:04 pm
^ Word I agree. Shadow the Hedgehog All Time Favorite Game

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